Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Not everything is a conspiracy. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. I cant lose them, he told the media. King Charles is planning to cut the Duke's annual . American mom living in Paris mesmerizes internet after revealing the VERY surprising after-school snack kids eat in France. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Sorry not sorry. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. Thank you and well said. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Barry Grube, one of the few, if not only, police officers sympathetic to Patricias cause, noted that Andrew didnt seem particularly frantic while authorities searched desperately for his wife and son. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. ``She was mainly worried about her little girl,' Myers recalled. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Andrew Katrinak said he found his basement door ajar and removed from its hinges, and a phone line had been cut. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). Taking into account various assets, Andrew's net worth is greater than $25,000 - $49,999; and makes between $50 - 59,999 a year. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? You say by definition! She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Other family members and associates include Paige Keenan . Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. The influencer has We lived close to one another. Wow. Check Background Get Contact Info This Is Me - Edit Reputation & Background The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Just one example. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? All rights reserved. Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. ``She was real good with kids, good to mine at least,' Jost said. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. What a lame article. Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. You people are fighting a losing cause! Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Officers escort Andrew Tate, centre, and his brother Tristan Tate to the Court of Appeal in Bucharest. Combination locks. I really never thought of it again.. You are absolutely right. Neighbors remember seeing her place the child on horses for short rides. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Hoist by your own petard. You have permission to edit this article. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) If the answer is no, enough said! The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. I thought the same. Meticulous primping. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). It seems so, according to you. Theyre just not willing to investigate/research as to the truth. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. How would an intruder find it? She had money put aside. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Katrinak, Andrew J. Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. His doctors have requested that he returns to Dubai for further testing. Instead, she took the girl to Myers' stables just about every day. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. This article is little more than fiction. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. The first rule of a murder is motive. Prince Andrew is refusing to leave his home at Royal Lodge and instead is demanding a mansion "fit for a King", according to royal sources. U.S.M.C. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. Police theorize she owned the gun, but its neither here nor there whether she used a particular gun to kill and would make sense (to a wise perp) that the gun couldnt be linked to her by past activity. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. ): They boast glorious ocean views, but swathes of homes along America's coastlines are at risk of tumbling off CLIFFS due to erosion, rising sea levels and extreme weather events, Are YOU guilty of these gym sins? Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. . This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Accused of two murders, she will be extradited to Pennsylvania today. Just one example. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. Beautifully said Cliff! The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Rorrer liked trading and training horses, Myers said, because she didn't have to put her 1-year-old daughter in day care. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. You may not use our site or service, or the information provided, to make decisions about employment, admission, consumer credit, insurance, tenant screening or any other purpose that would require FCRA compliance. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Deputies watched the house as often as they could - from the woods, the road and even from the air. Her mother was married to my uncle. Traupman died in 2016. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. I agree. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. Myers knew little about Rorrer's troubles. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Get up-to-the-minute news sent straight to your device. Puny policy. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. ``They let 'em know who's boss.'. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. As Prince Harry says he felt like the film 'the boy in the bubble' before having therapy, who was 12-year-old David Vetter whose tragic story inspired the documentary? I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Your position Ive read a lot, Im right; you disagree with me, Ill say youre a moron. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. . I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Great communicator. When the cheerleading coach broke the news to Katrina Kohel that she was the only one left on the cheer squad, Kohel was determined to compete anyway. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. And Patricia wasnt all edges. ``She told me she was praying about it.'. Why? This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Veronica Barbara Katrinak. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). Have you read the book? They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. . His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. The evidence was all there. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. All rights reserved (About Us). I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. She should have received the death penalty imo. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Weak wages. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Your email address will not be published. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. I dont think so. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory.. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. . He was born in Bethlehem son of the late Martin. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading.